Podcast

Welcome to Undercurrents

On our 3rd Space podcast platform, we highlight a diversity of first-principle perspectives, and alternative ways of being and doing. In a globalised world, we recognise the necessity for an ecology of knowledge systems and inclusive moral frameworks, through which to make sense of, and reconstitute our world. We explore these perspectives with creative thinkers, visionaries and culture hackers from around the world.

Episodes:

Working with Young Refugees in a World that Doesn’t Make Sense – a conversation with Renate Keller

Too often seen as mere statistics, the historical context for the dislocation and extreme trauma of young refugees, as well as their necessity for sanctuary and a liveable future, is often forgotten or ignored. Yet, we are the world, and it is a world where more and more refugees will be fleeing the results of war, climate change, and oppressive regimes. Based on her own work and life experience, Renate Keller brings a creative dimensionality and depth to teaching young refugees in Switzerland, and finds in their receptivity and desire to connect, a sensibility for the Heart. This is a rare and insightful glimpse into the challenges and inspiration of working intimately with refugees searching for a life in the West.

Listen »

Radical Experiments in Unlearning with Manish Jain

We interviewed Manish Jain at Shikshantar, The People’s Institute for Re-thinking Education and Development in the ancient city of Udaipur in India, which he co-founded. Manish is one of the leading planetary voices for deschooling our lives and reimagining education and development. He is deeply committed to regenerating our diverse local knowledge systems, cultural imagination and intercultural dialogue. Born in India, Manish worked in the US as an investment banker for Morgan Stanley, received a Master’s in Education at Harvard University, and worked as a principal team leader on UNESCO Learning Without Frontiers Global Initiative. He returned to India twenty-five years ago to look after his illiterate grandmother, which began a deep process of Un-learning. In the interview we talk about his discovery of the gift culture in India, its abundance versus scarcity culture, forgiveness, how working with your hands is not extracurricular, and the significance of cow dung.

Listen »

A Rare Perspective from the Gaza War – In Conversation with Yael Treidel

In the wake of the brutal attack by Hamas and the escalating violence in Gaza by Israeli forces, Mary Adams speaks with Yael Treidel from Hadera in Israel. Yael, an author, translator, social and political activist for many years, has been involved with Women Wage Peace since 2014. She currently works for a medical NGO responsible for driving hundreds of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza for medical treatment in Israel, on a daily basis. Working closely with Palestinian women, Yael, and others in WWP, have long pushed for a just political settlement between the two nations. Her novel, When the Water Rises, was published in 2022.

Listen »

This is Not America – Why Black Lives in Britain Matter

In this episode, Steve Brett talks with the author Tomiwa Owolade, about his book This is Not America – Why Black Lives in Britain Matter. Tom argues that racial identity is not an abstraction, but is contextual and based on different geographical and historical factors. He writes that many of the ideas we have about what it means to be black have been adopted from America, when in fact what it means to be black and British is different from what it means to be black and American.

Listen »

At Work in the Ruins with Dougald Hine

Steve Brett interviews Dougald Hine on his new book, At Work in the Ruins – Finding Our Place in the Time of Science, Climate Change, Pandemics & All the Other Emergencies. They discuss his remarkable journey from his focus on the Climate Crisis, to why he’s not talking about the Climate Crisis anymore. They go on to talk about the impact of the Dark Mountain Project, the work of Vanessa Machado de Oliveira, and how “the end of the world as we know it is not the end of the world full stop. The end of the world as we know it is also the end of a way of knowing the world.” For further references recommended by Dougald, please note, The Myth of Modernity by Michael Greer, and A Small Farm Future by Chris Smaje.

Listen »

The Value of Eldership

In this episode, Leadership developer and social entrepreneur Dave Pendle, is in conversation with Steve Brett about Eldership. They discuss the value of eldership, and if it is something that can be both restored and developed in modern culture.
Find out more about Dave Pendle’s work here: https://www.generativeyou.co/

Listen »

The Language of Embodied Intelligence

In this episode Mary Adams explores the embodied intelligence of Contact Dance Improvisation with the leading dance teacher/performer Kirstie Simson. Described as a “force of nature” by the New York Times, Simson shares her experience and insights into the relevance of our relationship to the body, and how this can transform the deep cultural attitudes of separation and dissociation which underlie the global meta-crisis.

Listen »

A Process of Learning and Unlearning: A Dialogue with Boaventura de Sousa Santos

Boaventura de Sousa Santos is a distinguished legal scholar and Professor Emeritus of Sociology at the University of Coimbra in Portugal. He is one of the founders of the World Social Forum. He has written and published widely on issues of global justice and its relationship to the necessity for an ecology of knowledge systems. As well as being a brilliant scholar he has worked for social justice in social movements around the world, including amongst the favelas of Brazil and with indigenous and peasant communities in different parts of the world.

Listen »

Once Upon Time in the East – with Xiaolu Guo

An interview with the British/Chinese writer, diarist and filmmaker Xiaolu Guo. From her upbringing in a small fishing village on the East China Sea to becoming the celebrated writer and filmmaker she is living in Britain today, we explore the extraordinary life and work of an east/west cultural pioneer.

Listen »

On the Verge of the Verb – with Gabriel Meyer Halevy

Gabriel Meyer Halevy is a musician and storyteller from Argentina. His book, “On the Verge of the Verb” is shortly to be published in the US. Gabriel is a cross-cultural bridge builder—even across enemy lines—through music, humour and story. We met up with Gabriel at Brave Earth earlier this year, a community founded by Alnoor Ladha in the jungle of Costa Rica. In this podcast, Gabriel talks about his travels and meetings with extraordinary people, his celebration of the prophetic nature of his spiritual lineage, and his love of the human spirit.

Listen »

The Climate Emergency and Transitioning to a Post-Anthropocentric World

In this episode recorded at Alnoor Ladha’s home in the jungle of Costa Rica, Steve Brett talks with Alnoor about how we should be responding to the Climate Emergency and the possibility that we might be one of the last generations of human life on earth. For Alnoor, it’s not just about social and political action. We need to understand and dis-identify from the dominant culture. We need to make an ontological shift that is in deep relationality to the living planet, to heal our spiritual/material divide, and transition to a post-anthropocentric world.

Listen »

Working with Young Refugees in a World that Doesn’t Make Sense – a conversation with Renate Keller

Too often seen as mere statistics, the historical context for the dislocation and extreme trauma of young refugees, as well as their necessity for sanctuary and a liveable future, is often forgotten or ignored. Yet, we are the world, and it is a world where more and more refugees will be fleeing the results of war, climate change, and oppressive regimes. Based on her own work and life experience, Renate Keller brings a creative dimensionality and depth to teaching young refugees in Switzerland, and finds in their receptivity and desire to connect, a sensibility for the Heart. This is a rare and insightful glimpse into the challenges and inspiration of working intimately with refugees searching for a life in the West.

Listen »

Radical Experiments in Unlearning with Manish Jain

We interviewed Manish Jain at Shikshantar, The People’s Institute for Re-thinking Education and Development in the ancient city of Udaipur in India, which he co-founded. Manish is one of the leading planetary voices for deschooling our lives and reimagining education and development. He is deeply committed to regenerating our diverse local knowledge systems, cultural imagination and intercultural dialogue. Born in India, Manish worked in the US as an investment banker for Morgan Stanley, received a Master’s in Education at Harvard University, and worked as a principal team leader on UNESCO Learning Without Frontiers Global Initiative. He returned to India twenty-five years ago to look after his illiterate grandmother, which began a deep process of Un-learning. In the interview we talk about his discovery of the gift culture in India, its abundance versus scarcity culture, forgiveness, how working with your hands is not extracurricular, and the significance of cow dung.

Listen »

A Rare Perspective from the Gaza War – In Conversation with Yael Treidel

In the wake of the brutal attack by Hamas and the escalating violence in Gaza by Israeli forces, Mary Adams speaks with Yael Treidel from Hadera in Israel. Yael, an author, translator, social and political activist for many years, has been involved with Women Wage Peace since 2014. She currently works for a medical NGO responsible for driving hundreds of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza for medical treatment in Israel, on a daily basis. Working closely with Palestinian women, Yael, and others in WWP, have long pushed for a just political settlement between the two nations. Her novel, When the Water Rises, was published in 2022.

Listen »

This is Not America – Why Black Lives in Britain Matter

In this episode, Steve Brett talks with the author Tomiwa Owolade, about his book This is Not America – Why Black Lives in Britain Matter. Tom argues that racial identity is not an abstraction, but is contextual and based on different geographical and historical factors. He writes that many of the ideas we have about what it means to be black have been adopted from America, when in fact what it means to be black and British is different from what it means to be black and American.

Listen »

At Work in the Ruins with Dougald Hine

Steve Brett interviews Dougald Hine on his new book, At Work in the Ruins – Finding Our Place in the Time of Science, Climate Change, Pandemics & All the Other Emergencies. They discuss his remarkable journey from his focus on the Climate Crisis, to why he’s not talking about the Climate Crisis anymore. They go on to talk about the impact of the Dark Mountain Project, the work of Vanessa Machado de Oliveira, and how “the end of the world as we know it is not the end of the world full stop. The end of the world as we know it is also the end of a way of knowing the world.” For further references recommended by Dougald, please note, The Myth of Modernity by Michael Greer, and A Small Farm Future by Chris Smaje.

Listen »

The Value of Eldership

In this episode, Leadership developer and social entrepreneur Dave Pendle, is in conversation with Steve Brett about Eldership. They discuss the value of eldership, and if it is something that can be both restored and developed in modern culture.
Find out more about Dave Pendle’s work here: https://www.generativeyou.co/

Listen »

The Language of Embodied Intelligence

In this episode Mary Adams explores the embodied intelligence of Contact Dance Improvisation with the leading dance teacher/performer Kirstie Simson. Described as a “force of nature” by the New York Times, Simson shares her experience and insights into the relevance of our relationship to the body, and how this can transform the deep cultural attitudes of separation and dissociation which underlie the global meta-crisis.

Listen »

A Process of Learning and Unlearning: A Dialogue with Boaventura de Sousa Santos

Boaventura de Sousa Santos is a distinguished legal scholar and Professor Emeritus of Sociology at the University of Coimbra in Portugal. He is one of the founders of the World Social Forum. He has written and published widely on issues of global justice and its relationship to the necessity for an ecology of knowledge systems. As well as being a brilliant scholar he has worked for social justice in social movements around the world, including amongst the favelas of Brazil and with indigenous and peasant communities in different parts of the world.

Listen »

Once Upon Time in the East – with Xiaolu Guo

An interview with the British/Chinese writer, diarist and filmmaker Xiaolu Guo. From her upbringing in a small fishing village on the East China Sea to becoming the celebrated writer and filmmaker she is living in Britain today, we explore the extraordinary life and work of an east/west cultural pioneer.

Listen »

On the Verge of the Verb – with Gabriel Meyer Halevy

Gabriel Meyer Halevy is a musician and storyteller from Argentina. His book, “On the Verge of the Verb” is shortly to be published in the US. Gabriel is a cross-cultural bridge builder—even across enemy lines—through music, humour and story. We met up with Gabriel at Brave Earth earlier this year, a community founded by Alnoor Ladha in the jungle of Costa Rica. In this podcast, Gabriel talks about his travels and meetings with extraordinary people, his celebration of the prophetic nature of his spiritual lineage, and his love of the human spirit.

Listen »

The Climate Emergency and Transitioning to a Post-Anthropocentric World

In this episode recorded at Alnoor Ladha’s home in the jungle of Costa Rica, Steve Brett talks with Alnoor about how we should be responding to the Climate Emergency and the possibility that we might be one of the last generations of human life on earth. For Alnoor, it’s not just about social and political action. We need to understand and dis-identify from the dominant culture. We need to make an ontological shift that is in deep relationality to the living planet, to heal our spiritual/material divide, and transition to a post-anthropocentric world.

Listen »